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Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton

by Dave B, Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:32:56 PM EST

Well folks, it looks like there is another hit job on the Clintons circulating the Obamasphere. I stumbled across the ENTIRE UNEDITED CLIP from the movie The War Room.

Guess what????

If you watch the whole clip, start paying REALLY CLOSE ATTENTION at aroun 3:30.

Clinton is actually WINNING INDIANA, and they are REALLY HAPPY about it. The numbers are 42/40. Kantor comes in and looks, HOLEY SHIT, Indiana. Then he makes an inaudible comment, then the "those people are shit."

I believe the context of the comment was aimed at fraudulent exit polls released by right wing operatives, trying to effect the vote there.

The whole thing is an edited, out of context hit job on the Clintons by either a right winger or an Obama supporter.

Sure, new politics. That's it....

See the clip below:

UPDATE: Quote from Pllitico

Pennebaker: Clip Doctored I just spoke to D.A. Pennebaker, the director of "The War Room," who said his film had been doctored to produce a widely-viewed YouTube clip. In a clip from his film on the 1992 Clinton campaign, posted to YouTube today, Clinton advisor Mickey Kantor is -- according to subtitles -- seen referring to Indianans with an expletive and to his colleague George Stephanopolous with a racial slur. "He does not say that. He does not say that," said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip. He said the initial expletive referred to the anticipated reaction in the Bush White House to the fact that Ross Perot's polling numbers were holding strong. "What he says is he’s surprised Perot’s numbers are holding," said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House." The second expletive, he said, appeared to have been entirely fabricated, with new audio dubbed onto the original movie. Pennebaker appeared surprised and amused by the video. "A thousand people saw that film in theaters and didn't think" the second expletive had been used, he said. "It's very clearly understandable. It's not like it was in Bulgarian." In an earlier version posted yesterday, the clip was circulating with a subtitle indicating -- Pennebaker says inaccurately -- that Kantor had insulted Indianans; the racial slur appears to have been added to the second version.

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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (1.75 / 4)

The Obama campaign strikes again. Doctoring this video AND rolling out an endorsement supposedly as "new" when the "kirk" guy had endorsed months ago. The Obama campaign must be in dire straits. This is desperation.

by karajan72 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:37:11 PM EST

Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 2)

Show me the PROOF that the Obama campaign did this video....

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:38:47 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 1)

You are correct. I'm a Clinton supporter, and I wouldn't go so far as to accuse the Obama campaign.

Like I said in my diary, it's either an Obama supporter, or it's a right winger trying to slime Democrats.

I'd like to think it was a right winger.

by Dave B on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:41:39 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 1)

One of Sean Hannity's henchmen is my hope... anything to thoroughly discredit that guy....

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:43:36 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

Sean Hannity's camp doesn't benefit from the Clinton's being portrayed as racist.

This is a supporter of obama who, no doubt, does not have a position with the campaign.

Absolutely disgraceful but not surprising from the campaign that thinks calling Clinton a "fucking whore" is acceptable campaign rhetoric.

by Little Otter on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:22:47 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

And show me the PROOF that Bush/Cheney lied to take us to war in Iraq! Yet we all know it's true.

Come on man, it's way too easy for the campaign to hide behind this junk and claim clean hands.

by wblynch on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:46:53 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

There is no proof but the saddest part for me is this: even after the director of the original film has confirmed it was doctored, on dkos and Huggington the hate, the derision and the absolute refusal to believe this lying clip, speaks volumes. I have read the word "hymie" as well as "lying racist piece of trash" from Obama supporters on Huffington AFTER the revelation that it was a doctored piece.

All along I have believed this swiftboating of Hillary by lableing a woman who spent decades working with and for minorities and women on civil rights was unfair. It did not matter. The Obama campaign needed to trash her with AA voters. And someone did. Not saying this piece came from them, but that campaign has worked hard at to convince the left that Hillary Clinton is a racist. What they did, imo, was immoral and devoid of democratic principles. I will vote for any democrat in November (always have) but I am done after four decades of working for this party.

by Jjc2008 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:41:54 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Wow smearing Obama's campaign over a smear that has no lik to them.. this post is TR worthy if ever I saw one.

by Why Not on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:41:14 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 2)

to me it sounds like "those people are shitting"

meaning "those people" being Bush I's campaign. Not IN people.

how can this be taken so out of context? I mean, they ARE winning IN and they are happy about it...

by colebiancardi on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:37:57 PM EST

Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 3)

hey, based on the update - I was right!!

Obama supporters must be smelling the desperation or something.

All I can say is whoever doctored this is an azzzz..

by colebiancardi on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:41:21 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 2)

I have been calling for this entire "issue" to go away all day...

Now that it has been debunked, can it go now?

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:38:13 PM EST

Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

No, we'll probably be dealing with this one all day and into the weekend. Be sure to de-bunk it if you see it posted anywhere!

by NewOaklandDem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:43:02 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

The whole thing is an edited, out of context hit job on the Clintons by either a right winger or an Obama supporter

Every now and then, it's difficult to tell the difference between the two.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:42:42 PM EST

Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

It's a shame. Some people have gotten really low during this campaign. What do we have, a month to go?

by NewOaklandDem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:44:19 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

Just over a month, hopefully. Maybe I'm alone in this as a Clinton supporter, but I think the supers need to declare as soon as the primaries end. Time to be done with this, one way or the other, so we can move on to the main event.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:54:48 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

Agreed.

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:05:17 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (1.50 / 2)

Come on now... you know very well that works for both camps right now unfortunately.

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:44:55 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Oh, no doubt. We've got people around here bashing Affirmative Action and saying it's responsible for Obama's success. Frankly, I've never seen such disgusting behavior out of "Democrats".

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:53:22 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

we're so focused on the efficacy of the Republican tactics, we have forgotten that you sell you soul to play that way.

We are in danger of becoming what we have beheld.

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:57:00 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

Don't forget that a HUGE contingent of Obama supporters are not Democrats. They are "Democrats-For-A-Day", crossover Republicans and Independents that voted for Nader and caused all these problems in the first place.

People that never had the Cojones to join and fight for the Democratic party.

Now, for convenience, they light on the Democratic party and demand that we drop everything we believe in to placate them.

When Obama praised Ronald Reagan, said that the republicans had all the ideas and then said he would emulate the foreign policies of Reagan and Poppa Bush I knew that Obama is no Democrat.

I am a lifelong Democrat, have voted Democratic in every election since 1970 and I support Hillary Clinton.

No Democrat that praises Reagan will ever get my vote!

by wblynch on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:54:57 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

Actually, if you want to know the truth, this wasn't about Hillary or Obama, it was about the last presidental debate and Stephanapoulos's performance.

So his tone was used to frame him up for his big townhall meeting this weekend.

Everyone else is just an innocent bystander.

Lesson to learn, teh internetz will hold people accountable in the most unique of ways.

Enjoyz/.

"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan

by pinche tejano on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:43:36 PM EST

Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

But what about lapel pins and Tuzla?

Of course, we have the highest casualties in Iraq in seven months -
Not to mention a deteriorating situation in Afghanistan.
The economy stands on the brink of a precipice.
More and more Americans lack adequate health coverage.

And we are worried about some Indiana photoshopped video -
Or Rev. Wright or gas taxes?

by johnnygunn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:44:17 PM EST

Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 1)

How about a doctored video of Obama's lack of flag pin visit causing high gas prices? This crap is getting more annoying by the day. Sorry to see that this particular crap came from supporter of my candidate.

by NewOaklandDem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:47:41 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Or from a right winger.

Don't assume they aren't at the root of trying to tear us apart!

by Dave B on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:49:25 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

Yes, but don't forget that when some group is trying to manipulate our presidential election, it can have an effect on all the things you mention.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:53:50 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 2)

I think this has to be investigated by the authorities. If it is found that the Obama camp was, indeed, involved, this should go a long way in helping people to decide who should be our democratic nominee for president.

Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.

by pollbuster on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:50:21 PM EST

Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

I'm only a click away

by juliewolf on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:00:23 PM EST

Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

I took an audio clip of the phrase in question from this youTube video and amplified it a bit. I recommend others do the same, because you'll be able to verify what I'm saying.

Given all the suggestions about lawsuits here, I think it's probably a bad idea for me to post the amplified audio, lest anyone accuse me of deliberately manipulating audio for a service other contrary to the truth.

That said, after reviewing it amplified, it sounds to me as though he's using the phrase "worthless white ???-er." It's very possible that the ??? is something that will make it a non-racially charged comment ("Mainer?" "Sailor?") but I don't think that the video posted here does anything to exonerate anyone. It sounds like the audio on the other version was simply amplified, not doctored.

I'm only a click away

by juliewolf on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:04:29 PM EST

Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

Could it be White House something or other?

by Dave B on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:34:00 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

Absolutely not, at least not to my ears. It's a two-syllable word which ends in an "er" sound and starts with a hard consonant. I.e., "d" or "n" or "t," not "h" or "a" or "wh." I.e., the word's something in the pattern of "dinner," "niner," "tender" or that other word we've been discussing.

Look, I don't know what's being said on this video, but I have no evidence that the first one posted was doctored. For all I know the other version was doctored to reduced the sound when he makes those comments to cast doubt, and until I'm willing to get myself a copy of "The War Room" to find it myself, I may never know.

All I'm saying is that we don't have any evidence of anything yet.

I'm only a click away

by juliewolf on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:48:00 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

and why would anyone from the Clinton camp even STATE that?

my god - put 2 & 2 together. They would not use that statement. They were winning IN - a state that they didn't think they would win.

by colebiancardi on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:02:38 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

I'm agnostic on the content of the audio, and even if I weren't, I'd be agnostic on what the source of that video was.

But, that said, there are lots of reasons people say all sorts of stupid things, many of which have to do with inside jokes, references to things they were discussing earlier.

Stephanopolis' reaction fits this-- on camera, a friend makes an off-color reference to something you had been discussing in private, and rather than respond, he just shakes his head no, as though to indicate that Kantor should just shut up, and Kantor whispers it, thinking that it won't be picked up by the microphone.

So I dunno. I think this is a useless distraction. When I first saw the short clip, I was about to post it here, but other people already had. In retrospect, it was a bad idea. It wasn't worth the effort, but if people are going to start making accusations as to the intent behind it or just posting comments about the content that don't match my experience with it, I'll chime in.

I'm only a click away

by juliewolf on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:14:16 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Stop this. You think a campaign adviser is going to say such things, on camera no less.

He's saying "They are shitting"

and "How'd you like to be in the white house right now?"

It's about GWB, not Indianans.

by clad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:26:47 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

The subtitles on the clip are wrong.

Kantor doesn't say, "those people are shit."

He actually says, "those people are shitting."

That much is definitely clear. I don't think he's referring to the state of Indiana.

The second statement is less clear, but I would say the sound here doesn't quite match up. Nothing conclusive enough to support a "doctoring" thesis, but enough to want a closer analysis from an audio expert. There appear to be a change in the sound right after Kantor says the word 'be' in the phrase "How would you like to be."

It seems plausible to me that he actually says, "how would you like to be a worthless right winger?"

by blueflorida on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:06:17 PM EST

Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

correct, referring to other polls or the Bush camp. Why would Indianans be "sh!tting".

by LindaSFNM on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:12:19 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

I'd qualify as an audio expert.

I'm still unclear on what's being said.

As far as the first comment goes-- I can't tell if he's saying S--T or S--Ting. I think both are possible and both fit, depending on context, but I don't personally hear a second syllable in that word, though it looks like he tried to stop saying nasty things when he realized a camera was there.

I'm only a click away

by juliewolf on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:50:52 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

If you qualified as an audio expert you would point out that amplification distorts the underlying signal.

by souvarine on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:55:46 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

There is a amplified "sound only" version floating around.

Based on it, it seems clear to me that the sound of a xerox machine as well as rustling papers are preventing us from hearing one or two words just after "how would you like to be" and just before the disputed "white n***" phrase, which is followed by what appears to be a response from a different person , and the the phrase "Look at Texas."

I would be great if we had some other audio recording of Mickey Kantor so that we could develop a good handle for what his vocal style and speech patterns are.

by blueflorida on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:20:46 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

As I said on the other diary,
"I'm speechless. The depth of gutter low road slime Camp Obama played in is beyond negative dirty politics."

by LindaSFNM on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:11:01 PM EST

Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

Proof that the Obama campaign did this?

by clad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:28:14 PM EST
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Sounds to me (none / 0)

That he says "those people are SHITTING"

But there is no way that the second part is doctored. This is from the original link to the War Room, right?

Turn the volume up. He says "worthless white __"

by highgrade on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:25:02 PM EST

Re: Sounds to me (none / 0)

White___

What are you trying to imply? That it was a racist comment about white people from a white person????

What about worthless White House something or other.

by Dave B on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:36:33 PM EST
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Re: Well, Another Hit Job On Clinton (none / 0)

Yes, I got this when Kantor entered the room on this video clip.

"look at Indiana, wait, wait, look at Indian, 42 40

it doesn't matter who you're with, those people are shitting [Oh excuse me, you look good] in the White House. (now to George) How would you like to be in the White House right now. Look at Texas, go down to Texas."

...obviously talking about the poll numbers and that Bush's people in the WH are sh!tting-no doubt.

by LindaSFNM on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:34:46 PM EST

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Yes, I got this when Kantor entered the room on this video clip.

"look at Indiana, wait, wait, look at Indian, 42 40

...obviously talking about the poll numbers and that Bush's people in the WH are sh!tting-no doubt.

by LindaSFNM on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:34:52 PM EST

Well known phenom (none / 0)

Once you stick subtitles on inaudible or barely audible or unintelligible audio, it becomes the way you're brain interprets it. There are hundreds of examples on YouTube.... "Buffalaxed!"

http://www.youtube.com/user/buffalax

Another example.....Carmina Burana with subtitles ....

http://carmina.ytmnd.com/

by TxKat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:46:48 PM EST

This is politics of ``hope'' and ``change'' (none / 0)

Thanks Senator Obama.

by ann0nymous on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:37:05 PM EST

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the hits just keep coming. I wrote yesterday about the shamelessness of the Obama campaign and it's fans. If they cannot win by legit means they will do anything, race-bait, suppress votes, make false allegations and now doctor videos. Party unity be damned (yes unity to them is just a buzz word..they don't give a rat's ass), they will tear down the Democratic party if only to foist their false god/messiah on the rest of us. Truly I dislike Obama more and more I see him. What a loathsome and despicable campaign!!

by tarheel74 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:58:31 PM EST

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