Obama's Medical History, Fudge by any Other Name

I was struck by Obama's medical records. as a practicing physician
for almost 30 years two things in his medical history seemed patently improbable. First, there are virtually no 47 year old men with blood pressures of 90/60. Most men with that kind of B.P. would be in the throes of acute blood loss! I would say that kind of B.P. would be more likely in an 8 year old. Second, Obama may be the only smoker in America with a resting heart rate of 60! He is in fact a walking advertisement for taking up smoking.

These medical findings are so surprising. They are in fact unbelievable. Maybe the blood pressure would make sense if against all odds we had a second Addisonian president in 50 years! I believe the good doctor made up these numbers. Maybe he's not used to lying. Maybe both his watch and his sphygnomanometer (B.P. device) were broken that day. No physician, nurse, EMT or frequent viewer of E.R. would believe those numbers.



Display:


Isn't it unusual for a doctor to make conclusions (2.00 / 7)

about a patient without even examining him?  Aren't you doing the same thing that Bill Frist did with Terri Schiavo?  Finally, while Obama has not completely kicked the habit of smoking, he has not been a regular smoker (ten cigarettes or more a day) for many years now.  Does that fact change your analysis of his heart rate?


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:10:05 AM EST

if you smoke under 10 cigs a day (none / 0)

you are not a regular smoker?  Wow, I was not a regular smoker for 30 years and I got asthma anyway and a high resting heart rate BTW.


by Teacher1956 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:19:14 AM EST
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Re: Isn't it unusual for a doctor to make conclusi (1.00 / 2)

Who knows how many cigarettes he smokes a day?
All smokers and drinkers lie!
by hypopg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:38:34 AM EST
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Re: Isn't it unusual for a doctor to make conclusi (none / 0)

everyone lies.


by temptxan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:40:36 AM EST
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Re: Isn't it unusual for a doctor to make conclusi (none / 0)


by semiquaver on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:41:09 AM EST
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Sounds like it makes sense.. (none / 0)

Money can buy anything. Even politicians.
Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:58:01 PM EST
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Re: Isn't it unusual for a doctor to make conclusi (2.00 / 6)

Wow, what amazing questionable professionalism shown by you.  Makes one wonder just WHO is lying in this diary.  But please, correct our feelings that you aren't and never were a mediocre doctor.  Please post some scans of your diplomas, medical licenses, etc.  Funny thing about the internets... you can pretty much claim to be anything... For instance, I was a US Senator, I ran for President, I was the 5TH Beatle, and discovered the Secrets of the Flux Capacitor.  SO of course everyone should take my word without question on Politics, Beatles Music, and Time Travel.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:13:40 AM EST
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Well, I won the Nobel Prize for advanced bloggery (2.00 / 6)

and I can tell you that the diarist is absolutely, to the core, full of shit.  As a professional with six PHD's I can tell you that this is pure trollery meant to make the Democratic nominee look bad.

You'd have to speak with the diarists psychologist as to why this seemed like a good idea.  That's not my field.


by Sun Dog on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:25:21 AM EST
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What a coincidence! (2.00 / 5)

I actually have twelve advanced degrees in psychology, so let me field this one.  Based on my expert psychological opinion, he's probably suffering from any number of undiagnosed illnesses.  I'm basing this on my expert opinion, as I mentioned, so it's probably true.  I could go into more detail, but I wouldn't want to bore anyone with the minutinae.

Needless to say, I am an expert and therefore I am above reproach. Please do not contradict me.

Thank you.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:13:15 AM EST
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He needs to release his actual records (none / 0)

Yes, smokers and drinkers tend to lie, lowballing the figures.  I know I did when I smoked.  I also find it odd that he could smoke so little on a daily basis.  Smokers know the routine -- cigs with the morning coffee, after meals, etc.

But here's my big problem.  (And I want Clinton to release hers, too.)

According to news reports, Barack Obama's doctor has relased a letter saying Obama is in excellent health. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/ 2008/05/obama-doc-candi.html

"Dr. David L. Scheiner, MD on staff at the University of Chicago Hospital and Rush University Medical Center has been Obama's primary care physician since March of 1987 and completed a review of Obama's records for the last 21 years."

Well, that's convenient.  21 years of records summarized in one page.  And the doctor is from the University of Chicago Hospital?  

Obama and his wife have a little bit of history with that institution.  From Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times:

* * Michelle Obama's income of $273,618 from the University of Chicago Hospitals. She will get paid less in 2007 because she cut back on her job because of the campaign. She made more in 2005 because of a signing bonus from the U. of C. given when she was promoted to vice president of community and external affairs in January 2005, just as Obama was sworn in as senator.
Tax returns from last year showed her total compensation in 2005 went from $122,000 to $317,000, though the higher figure includes a one-time pension payout and the bonus.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/04/ sweet_blog_extra_barack_and_mi.html

So let's look at a well documented timeline prepared by David M at his blog for another purpose: http://davidm.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama -pork-tit-for-tat.html


Here's the timeline:

2004: Michelle Obama's pay at the University of Chicago Hospital, where she was executive director for community affairs, was reportedly $121,910.

2005: [January] Michelle Obama's husband Barack becomes a United States Senator.

2005: [May] Mrs. Obama is promoted to vice president for community and external affairs at the hospital, and her pay reportedly jumps to $316,962 (260% of her 2004 salary).

2006: Senator Obama requests $9 million in earmarks for the institution, according to a list of earmark requests released by the Obama campaign:

   * "In 2006, Obama requested $8 million for Human Genome Expression at the University of Chicago."
    * "In 2006, Obama requested that the University of Chicago receive $1 million to support its Construction of New Hospital Pavilion."

Looks like the hospital got its money back--and then some--from Mrs. Obama's raise.

Obama's family has other connections to the institution as well:

   * "Top campaign adviser and friend Valerie Jarrett is the Chair of the University of Chicago Medical Center Board and also Chair of the Executive Committee of that board. She has also been named Vice-Chair of the University's Board of Trustees. "
    * "Obama taught at the U. of Chicago law school and the Obama's two daughters attend school there."

Do we think the report is objective?  Maybe it is.  But in government, as Obama needs to learn, one must for ethical purposes avoid even the appearance of impropriety.

Frankly, we need an independent look at all his medical records by doctors not connected with the University of Chicago.


by katmandu1 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:46:33 AM EST
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waste of diary space. (none / 0)

utterly useless. yes, his doctor is in on some big bad ass cover up now too. sigh.


I support our nominee President Barack Obama - and the Admins can't stand me, so I can't rec or rate. This is very mean if you were to ask me.
by TheFullBerry on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:21:16 AM EST

when I was thinner (2.00 / 1)

my blood pressure was always that low, even in my 40s.  Of course I got dizzy when I stood up to quick and the nurse in the doctors office always asked me if I was sick.  I am not surprised that Hillary is holding up better on the campaign trail.  He must be exhausted all the time with that blood pressure.


by Teacher1956 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:22:10 AM EST

A. I hope you are a doctor - (none / 0)

I am beginning to trust no one on this blog.

but if you are - and I struggle consistently with my bp - isn't low bp better than high bp?

It does seem improbable - but I can't believe a medical person would lie; still he gets a pass with most everything else - why not this


by Xanthe on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:39:29 AM EST

Re: A. I hope you are a doctor - (1.00 / 3)

Yes I am a doctor. This medical history is BS. It's really PR. And of course he gets a pass on everything.


by hypopg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:44:41 AM EST
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Re: A. I hope you are a doctor - (2.00 / 2)

Prove it.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:14:04 AM EST
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Where can you download the medical history? (none / 0)

Thank you.
Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:00:47 PM EST
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Bias revealed; Diary Disregarded (none / 0)

You should have tried harder to appear to be neutral.  

By the way, I'm the head of the AMA, and based on this appeal to my own authority, I say you are wrong.


by semiquaver on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:45:00 AM EST
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Re: A. I hope you are a doctor - (2.00 / 2)

Really? Well, apparently I learned more in nursing school than you did in medical school.

What kinda of doctor are you? Homeopathic medicine? Get lost.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:32:07 PM EST
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Did you know McCain... (2.00 / 1)

... has arthritis?


by kraant on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:50:36 AM EST

Re: Obama's Medical History, Fudge by any Other Na (2.00 / 2)

Speak for yourself......His bp and pulse are totally within normal limits and portray a person in good cardiovascular health. Where did you get your medical degree.......and while I'm at it, where are Senator Clinton's medical records.


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:56:07 AM EST

Boy You Must Have Fit Patients-LOL (1.00 / 9)

90/60 within normal range?
Back to community college for you. My medical school was founded in 1829, yours?
I think they dreamed up some numbers that made him look healthy. It's like fudging lab data. No experienced physician would believe those numbers.
Sadly I'm treating a Squamous Cell CA (stage 3A - for the doubters)in a 51 year old who hasn't smoked since 1989!
So Mr. Presumptive Nominee stop smoking! What kind of role model will you be for America's kids? Hey you seem to have kicked cocaine!
by hypopg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:20:34 AM EST
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"Hey you seem to have kicked cocaine! " (2.00 / 1)

Troll.


by turtlescrubber on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:36:16 AM EST
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You sir (2.00 / 1)

are a troll, an asshole and (I am quite sure) a quack!


by rf7777 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:54:07 AM EST
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Re: Boy You Must Have Fit Patients-LOL (2.00 / 1)

That's not proof.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:15:54 AM EST
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Re: Boy You Must Have Fit Patients-LOL (none / 0)

Yes it is too!  He's real live doctor, didn't you read the diary?


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:15:06 AM EST
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Re: Boy You Must Have Fit Patients-LOL (2.00 / 1)

did you get your docot's license in the carribean?

What Is Low Blood Pressure?

Hypotension is the medical term for low blood pressure (less than 90/60).

A blood pressure reading appears as two numbers. The first and higher of the two is a measure of systolic pressure, or the pressure in the arteries when the heart beats and fills them with blood. The second number measures diastolic pressure, or the pressure in the arteries when the heart rests between beats.

Normal blood pressure is usually in the range of 120/80 (systolic/diastolic). In healthy people, especially athletes, low blood pressure is a sign of good cardiovascular (heart and blood vessel) health. But low blood pressure can be a sign of an underlying problem -- especially in the elderly -- where it may cause inadequate blood flow to the heart, brain, and other vital organs.


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:17:52 AM EST
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Re: Boy You Must Have Fit Patients-LOL (2.00 / 1)

90/60 isn't low, it's low/normal. There's a distinction there.

If he was having blood flow problems, I'd expect to see him fainting or uncertain in his footing (dizzy) after standing.

Considering his build, I think it's possible that this is his actual blood pressure. Unfortunately for your claims, news sources, citing people they can verify as doctors, disagree:

The 46-year-old Illinois senator's last checkup in January 2007 was ``completely normal,'' according to an undated letter released by the campaign today from David Scheiner, Obama's longtime primary-care physician in Chicago. Obama's blood pressure was 90/60 with a pulse rate of 60 beats per minute, readings that would be acceptable for an athlete, doctors said.

The senator, who regularly works out and plays basketball on the campaign trail, also was lean with no excess body fat and no medical complaints, Scheiner wrote.

Low body fat plus regular work out regimen would indicate a really good cardiovascular system, so I'm not sure why you're raising concerns.


by TCQuad on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:25:44 AM EST
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My blood pressure is regularly as low as that, (none / 0)

and I'm not as lean as him, I'm older and I don't play half an hour of basketball every day. Sounds believable to me.

I have to routinely warn nurses about the low pressure or they don't believe their ears.


by Wee Mama on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:56:19 PM EST
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Re: Useless (2.00 / 3)

Great cover-up theory.  

For what it's worth, I've never been slender but always had a slow heart rate.  In high school, it was about 48.  Sitting here, about 24 years after high school, and 30 pounds heavier, it's definitely under 60.

I always liked my slow heart rate.  Now I know I've been living a cover-up.


by deminva on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:26:26 AM EST

Are You a Smoker? (none / 0)

That is the question.


by hypopg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:28:53 AM EST
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Re: Are You a Smoker? (2.00 / 1)

Only in so much as I smoke out stupid arguments.  I did smoke some in college, and my heart rate remained low.  I used to donate blood a lot in grad school, and the nurses often made me run around to demonstrate that my heart rate would in fact go up.

My old next-door neighbor had a grandmother with a heart on her right side.  Her longtime doctor used to freak out new nurses by asking them to check her heart, and they couldn't find it.  My wife has an extra pair of ribs, which press on nerves and weaken her grip strength.  There are more unusual things than a man with low blood pressure.


by deminva on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:33:48 AM EST
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Re: Useless (none / 0)

I demand you summarily denounce and reject your doctor for propogating these lies!  Sexist racist pig!


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:15:59 AM EST
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Low BP Good to a Point - Zero over Zero Not Good! (none / 0)

All things being equal the lower your BP the better to a point. Generally 0/0 is not good!
Obviously if you are symptomatic i.e. dizzy then your BP is too low for you.
A smoker with a BP of 90/60 would have a hard time getting life insurance.
Actually let's see his life insurance application, I guarantee you it doesn't show a BP of 90/60.

by hypopg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:26:41 AM EST

Let's see your medical degree. (none / 0)

Of course, we have no way of verifying your name.  On the internet, appeals to anonymous posters' authority are meaningless.  Why don't you just cite a from a reliable medical source that someone can verify?


by semiquaver on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:51:31 AM EST
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Re: Low BP Good to a Point - Zero over Zero Not Go (none / 0)

It takes about three seconds to pull information on doctors from Google these days. We can find out what medical school you went to, where you graduated in your class, what year, residency, focus, etc. Clue us in, or get lost.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:34:01 PM EST
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Not a Cover Up Just Not Believable (1.00 / 2)

Not a cover-up just hastily prepared poppycock. Obama's chances of dying in office are substantially higher than an age and weight matched control simply by virtue of his smoking. That is a medical and actuarial fact.  Who was the last smoking president after FDR?


by hypopg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:36:11 AM EST

Re: Not a Cover Up Just Not Believable (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, he looks like he is on deaths door. Dumbass.


by turtlescrubber on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:37:11 AM EST
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We've Been Double Kossed (2.00 / 1)

We have been invaded by Kossacks! Yech.
I merely questioned the numbers, now I'm a troll.
ROTFL!
Oh sorry I can't mention cocaine. Taboo.

by hypopg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:42:02 AM EST
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Re: We've Been Double Kossed (2.00 / 1)

you didn't dispute the numbers...you questioned the competency of His doctors and teir treatment plan based on some objective dat gleaned throught news reports in order to try and say we can't vote for Obama because he is too unwell...doctor my ass.


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:07:51 AM EST
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Re: The Last Smoking President (none / 0)

Well, it depends on whether you count cigars.


by creeper1014 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:35:30 PM EST
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Re: The Last Smoking President (none / 0)

Count cigars double: Mouth cancer, throat cancer, AND lung cancer.


by Woody on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:24:15 PM EST
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You are either not a physician or being misleading (2.00 / 3)

Obama hits the basketball court almost daily, is very active, and is overly lean. Other's may be impressed with the word sphygnomanometer, but I'm not. You're either not a medical doctor, or the worst one I've heard from in quite a while.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:44:16 AM EST

Re: Obama's Medical History, Fudge by any Other Na (2.00 / 1)

Geesh, is there nothing happening that is more important than Obama's smoking?  Smoking is legal. John McCain has had a history of serious medical problems, maybe the doctor could shed some light on those as they will probably be more significant in the long run?  Manufactured controversy, it's what we are left with.


by temptxan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:45:27 AM EST

BloodPressureGate!!!!!! (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for bringing this huge issue to light!


by rf7777 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:46:05 AM EST

Re: Obama's Medical History, Fudge (none / 0)

My first note is that he hasn't had a physical in 16 months considering he is a smoker and his LDL to HDL not very good 16 months ago that surprises me. No mention of ever having had a stress test, which he certainly should have by now.
As an over 60 year old with normal BP in the 90/60 (sometimes lower) range and with Addison's you might be right about his health condition.
by Justwords on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:00:40 AM EST

A Touch of Sanity (none / 0)

I bet you exercise routinely and you don't smoke.


by hypopg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:22:23 AM EST
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Go back to your bridge (2.00 / 3)

I'm a 24-year-old non-smoker.  I have a resting BP of about 140/85 and a resting heart rate of over 80.  By your logic--that is, excluding all factors in someone's life except age and smoking habit--I should be incredibly healthy but I'm not.

Of course, I'm also overweight and don't exercise nearly as much as I should.  Barack Obama, on the other hand, exercises regularly and is in perfect shape.

I hope you aren't a doctor, because no doctor should be irresponsible enough to try to make or challenge a diagnosis without ever having met the patient.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:03:48 AM EST

Well Bill Frist did it. (2.00 / 1)

But Bill Frist also killed kittens. :(  Therefore I would have to assume that this diarist killed kittens at some point to. Kinda disturbing.


by turtlescrubber on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:31:19 AM EST
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Re: Well Bill Frist did it. (none / 0)

I meant "too".


by turtlescrubber on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:31:43 AM EST
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Re: Go back to your bridge (1.00 / 1)

Ya might want to cut back on the Pi es.  
Though, I enjoy them immensely....so maybe you shouldn't. I might have to borrow your recipe someday.  ;)
by Kysen on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:32:00 PM EST
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Re: Go back to your bridge (none / 0)

Awww...apparently tarheel74 is not a PIe lover.
Nope....he's just a sad little Retaliatory TR Dropper.
Mmmmmmmm piiiiiiiiiiie.
;)
by Kysen on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:56:50 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Medical History, Fudge by any Other Na (2.00 / 3)

OK, I must say that 90/60 is one of my most common blood pressure readings, with some small variation in either number. It's always been about that as long as I remember. I used to donate blood but sometimes it's so low they won't let me. However I am never sick or tired and have more energy than many people in their 30s (I'm 61).


by Becky G on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:10:42 AM EST

Re: Obama's Medical History, Fudge by any Other Na (none / 0)

What's your secret?


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:20:39 AM EST
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Re: Obama's (2.00 / 1)

I have no idea who does or does not have a medical degree and how one would prove it on  a blog.  And i am not interested in proving if i have one.  But it is not that uncommon for some 47 years old to have a heart rate of 60 or less.  In addition, heart rate varies during the day and as a function of actiivity.  So BO could have had a morning exam before his day started and a heart rate of 60 is not that unusual.

I must agree that a BP of 90/60 is surprising but on the other hand we dont take blood pressure by hand anymore.  Most BP is taken by a machine that has a one size cuff and in my experience the blood pressure machines are not that great and this could easily account for the somewhat low reading.  

One last thing.  BO is being bad if he hasnt had an examine in 18 months (if that is true) and should try to fit one into his schedule.

david


by giusd on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:37:24 AM EST

I pity the tinfoil hat crowd (2.00 / 2)


by Slim Tyranny on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:37:49 AM EST

voodoo medicine (2.00 / 2)

Runners and athletes have resting heart rates that low.  I was a pack a day smoker til a few months ago and my BP was 100/70 consistently.  I also played soccer 3-4 days a week.  I hope you are never my doctor.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:49:19 AM EST

bwaaaaaaaaaa!!!! (2.00 / 2)

Worst doctor impersonation EVAR!!!!1 ZOMG!11!!1


by Slim Tyranny on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:50:52 AM EST

Re: bwaaaaaaaaaa!!!! (2.00 / 1)

"I'm not a Doctor, but I play one on MYDD." -hypopg


by Kysen on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:17:18 AM EST
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Re: bwaaaaaaaaaa!!!! (none / 0)

nice :)


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:21:29 AM EST
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Re: bwaaaaaaaaaa!!!! (2.00 / 1)

To be fair, he DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:36:23 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Medical History, Fudge by any Other Na (2.00 / 1)

Please tell me your name and location, so that when I'm in need of a doctor, I can make sure it's not you.  For someone who claims to have an MD, your maturity, class, and professionalism are not at all in evidence in this thread, and I shudder to think that the person operating on me or giving me a checkup could be this intellectually dishonest in his/her spare time.


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by mistersite on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:13:07 AM EST

Re: Obama's Medical History, Fudge by any Other Na (none / 0)

Maybe he hadn't had a bite yet that day, and his BP was a little low.  

That said, I don't know that this qualifies as his medical records, so much as a quick summary of them meant to provide a (hilarious) contrast with McCain releasing his 1,200 pages for only a few hours so that no one could really dig through them.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:32:18 AM EST

90/60 is abnormal indicates a failing heart (none / 0)

How did he getaway with one page report? that is simply rediculous! where is MSM on this?


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:47:28 AM EST

Goofy comment (none / 0)


by 0td on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:09:57 AM EST
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If you are reasonable look at this: (none / 0)

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/medicine /blood-pressure.htm


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:28:05 AM EST
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blood pressure too low (none / 0)

I think that's why he looks so tired all the time and seems to have no energy.

I thought this was ridiculous--1 page summary from an internist.  

In fact it is not believable.


by 4justice on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:48:35 AM EST

Re: Obama's Medical History, Fudge by any Other Na (none / 0)

I question the need to disclose medical records in the first place, whether for McCain, Obama, or anyone else.  Medical records are usually highly protected, and I find it invasive to demand that candidates disclose them.  And what good do they do?  They don't guarantee anything.  Obama had 1 page; McCain had 1200 pages.  Either of them could get hit by a bus tomorrow.  We've all known apparently healthy people who have suddenly been struck with catastrophic illness (I have a friend, for example, very healthy who was hit with MS in her prime) as well as people with serious conditions who function as well as anyone else (all those heart problems haven't kept Dick Cheney from wreaking havoc for eight years).  Are we going to start deciding that certain health issues or disabilities make someone fit for office?

What does this tell us about someone's fitness to lead?  After all, George Bush is a healthy man.


by katpee on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:59:28 AM EST

Does it mean Obama surrogates should not (none / 0)

question McCain's age?


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:07:44 AM EST

Re: Does it mean Obama surrogates should not (none / 0)

No, it means we're pissed you gladly encourage GOP trolls in a desperate attempt to smear Obama.

If you have issues with Obama, fine, present 'em, but don't feed the trolls.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:38:35 PM EST
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Fudge by any Other Name (none / 0)

I'm sorry to tell all of you the Doctor is absolutley CORRECT 90/60 is not right...this is a complete lie


by grego101 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:25:03 PM EST

Re: Obama's Medical History, Fudge by any Other Na (none / 0)

You are apparently unable to understand anything but stereotypes.  Firstly, I am a 43 year old female smoker and that is my BP...my heartrate is a little higher, but I figure that is attributable to lack of exercise.

As for smoking, my Ex-husband only smoked on the weekends, I only smoke before 8 and after 5 on most days...other smokers ask me how I can go so many hours without smoking...it is because smoking is more habit than addiction...granted a very deadly, sticky habit, but a habit nonetheless.  I have quite smoking for two years, and another time for nine months, the first 21 days are the hardest, but it doesn't really get much better even after the physical addiction is gone...that is due to the habit.

I don't believe you are or ever were a doctor.  I was a medic in the military and I highly suspect that I know more medicine than you do.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:28:23 PM EST

Re: Obama's Medical History, Fudge by any Other Na (none / 0)

Smoking is a habit and not an addiction.
Read the DSM lV if you know what that is moron.
Learned your "medicine" in the military. ROTFL.
WTF is the a "habit" as opposed to an addiction?
by hypopg on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:07:06 PM EST
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I have been a smoker for 35 years (none / 0)

or more, at least half of that time two packs a day or more. My blood pressure stayed at about 90/60 until just a few years ago. My resting heart rate was about 60. My blood pressure these days is usually 100-110/70-80, and my pulse runs between 70 and 80. 120/80 and 80 pulse is just a guideline. Normal is different for everybody. I would think a doctor would know that.


by georgiapeach on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:07:37 PM EST


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